Comments on: Dishmaker; Dishes On Demand http://www.uberreview.com/2007/02/dishmaker-dishes-on-demand.htm An Eclectic Mix Of Gadgets & Wired Madness Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:03:14 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: DconBlueZ http://www.uberreview.com/2007/02/dishmaker-dishes-on-demand.htm/comment-page-1#comment-6231 DconBlueZ Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:26:37 +0000 http://www.uberreview.com/2007/02/dishmaker-dishes-on-demand.htm/#comment-6231 Forming plastic dishes by machine isn't a new concept, moving it into the average home is, but that isn't what's being touted here. It's the on-site recycling aspect that's the big selling point, and it has obvious hurdles that weren't mentioned. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out. NFN_NLN - I'd like the brand and model of your obviously perfect DISHWASHER so I can go buy one. Over the last 40 years I've owned a dozen or so ranging from bottom to top of the line models,and never found one whose output I didn't have to monitor. The dishwashers used in restaurants are possibly better, but they're overly large and use a hell of a lot of energy. Now maybe if we incorporate an automated inspection system...but that means it just got more expensive and maintenance prone. hmmmm "one dish can be recycled a thousand times without consuming the energy that does into a single-use ceramic dish" So- how many "single-use ceramic dishes" do you have in your house? I don't have any, my ceramic dishes are reused hundreds if not thousands of times. The question would be how much energy is used to recycle each acrylic dish independently vs. using a DISHWASHER to re-use regular dishes en masse. Forming plastic dishes by machine isn’t a new concept, moving it into the average home is, but that isn’t what’s being touted here.

It’s the on-site recycling aspect that’s the big selling point, and it has obvious hurdles that weren’t mentioned. There’s nothing wrong with pointing that out.

NFN_NLN – I’d like the brand and model of your obviously perfect DISHWASHER so I can go buy one. Over the last 40 years I’ve owned a dozen or so ranging from bottom to top of the line models,and never found one whose output I didn’t have to monitor.

The dishwashers used in restaurants are possibly better, but they’re overly large and use a hell of a lot of energy.

Now maybe if we incorporate an automated inspection system…but that means it just got more expensive and maintenance prone. hmmmm

“one dish can be recycled a thousand times without consuming the energy that does into a single-use ceramic dish”

So- how many “single-use ceramic dishes” do you have in your house? I don’t have any, my ceramic dishes are reused hundreds if not thousands of times. The question would be how much energy is used to recycle each acrylic dish independently vs. using a DISHWASHER to re-use regular dishes en masse.

]]> By: NFN_NLN http://www.uberreview.com/2007/02/dishmaker-dishes-on-demand.htm/comment-page-1#comment-6120 NFN_NLN Tue, 13 Feb 2007 03:47:25 +0000 http://www.uberreview.com/2007/02/dishmaker-dishes-on-demand.htm/#comment-6120 "... a person must remain next to the machine feeding it with discs." This guy comes up with a new concept; the ability to form dishes on the fly. Then he goes through the trouble of mocking up a demo to illustrate the *new* concept. Who cares about feeding in the plates, I believe that technology was mastered around the time of the jukebox. "Yeah but those are black discs, this is totally different!". I also believe cleaning dishes was mastered with the introduction of the dishwasher. Why don't you guys contribute some useful discussion by asking: "If heat can deform these items what happens if you serve extremely hot food in them." That might actually be a legit hurdle in implementing this. "To wash them and then let them dry (perfectly) so that the organic materials aren"t incorporated into the plastic and degrading to them, well, it sounds impossible." Want to see something neat, I call it a DISHWASHER. “… a person must remain next to the machine feeding it with discs.”

This guy comes up with a new concept; the ability to form dishes on the fly. Then he goes through the trouble of mocking up a demo to illustrate the *new* concept. Who cares about feeding in the plates, I believe that technology was mastered around the time of the jukebox. “Yeah but those are black discs, this is totally different!”. I also believe cleaning dishes was mastered with the introduction of the dishwasher. Why don’t you guys contribute some useful discussion by asking: “If heat can deform these items what happens if you serve extremely hot food in them.” That might actually be a legit hurdle in implementing this.

“To wash them and then let them dry (perfectly) so that the organic materials aren”t incorporated into the plastic and degrading to them, well, it sounds impossible.” Want to see something neat, I call it a DISHWASHER.

]]> By: Nathan Raddin http://www.uberreview.com/2007/02/dishmaker-dishes-on-demand.htm/comment-page-1#comment-6118 Nathan Raddin Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:39:37 +0000 http://www.uberreview.com/2007/02/dishmaker-dishes-on-demand.htm/#comment-6118 Power is cheap and as more and more systems for making power become cheaper and cheaper it will only get less expensive. (It's only gone up $.02 (about $17 a month) in the last 10 years per household) So power is no the problem. Waiting for them is a non-issue as you can have the system make them in advance and just leave them there With a simple computer control and a system to feed it disks. When you are done just drop them back in. A system with multi-sizes would fix things like trays and larger plates, or small cups. (Remember this is a proto-type). Only two problems I see.1) do you have to clean the dishes? If you do while it would save space it would not save time and energy and most kitchens have enough space for a few cups, bowls and plates. If you can just drop them back in dirty (Maybe build in a dish washer) Then it would be great. 2) What about hot things? will it get soft in the microwave? How about with a very hot cup of coffee? Power is cheap and as more and more systems for making power become cheaper and cheaper it will only get less expensive. (It’s only gone up $.02 (about $17 a month) in the last 10 years per household) So power is no the problem.
Waiting for them is a non-issue as you can have the system make them in advance and just leave them there With a simple computer control and a system to feed it disks. When you are done just drop them back in. A system with multi-sizes would fix things like trays and larger plates, or small cups. (Remember this is a proto-type).

Only two problems I see.1) do you have to clean the dishes? If you do while it would save space it would not save time and energy and most kitchens have enough space for a few cups, bowls and plates. If you can just drop them back in dirty (Maybe build in a dish washer) Then it would be great. 2) What about hot things? will it get soft in the microwave? How about with a very hot cup of coffee?

]]> By: fortysixtwo » Blog Archive » Dishmaker http://www.uberreview.com/2007/02/dishmaker-dishes-on-demand.htm/comment-page-1#comment-6112 fortysixtwo » Blog Archive » Dishmaker Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:49:32 +0000 http://www.uberreview.com/2007/02/dishmaker-dishes-on-demand.htm/#comment-6112 [...] “Hate dishes? The DishMaker is a new kind of appliance that can replace dishes altogether by making cups, bowls and plates on demand and recycling them when you"re done. The device uses up the same room and energy as a dishwasher, while it replaces all the cabinets and dishes in your kitchen. the DishMaker takes advantage of a little-known shape-memory property of acrylic so that one dish can be recycled a thousand times without consuming the energy that does into a single-use ceramic dish.” [c/o The Uber-review] [...] [...] “Hate dishes? The DishMaker is a new kind of appliance that can replace dishes altogether by making cups, bowls and plates on demand and recycling them when you”re done. The device uses up the same room and energy as a dishwasher, while it replaces all the cabinets and dishes in your kitchen. the DishMaker takes advantage of a little-known shape-memory property of acrylic so that one dish can be recycled a thousand times without consuming the energy that does into a single-use ceramic dish.” [c/o The Uber-review] [...]

]]> By: Oblio http://www.uberreview.com/2007/02/dishmaker-dishes-on-demand.htm/comment-page-1#comment-6111 Oblio Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:24:54 +0000 http://www.uberreview.com/2007/02/dishmaker-dishes-on-demand.htm/#comment-6111 It seems to me that the parts and the cost of the materials going into the machine would far outweigh any benefit to the consumer. As well, each dish now takes a good deal of energy for production. I'll agree that the dishes are convenient as far as space goes, but the amount of time it takes to produce the dishes for a single meal (15 minues was implied) and then to reform those dishes (15 dishes x 1.5 minutes remelting = 22.5 minutes) leads to a significant amount of time (37.5 minutes) per meal that a person must remain next to the machine feeding it with discs. And as was eluded to above, the plates have to be clean, and moreover, dry. To wash them and then let them dry (perfectly) so that the organic materials aren't incorporated into the plastic and degrading to them, well, it sounds impossible. There are a lot of kinks to work out in this particular machine. It seems to me that the parts and the cost of the materials going into the machine would far outweigh any benefit to the consumer.

As well, each dish now takes a good deal of energy for production.

I’ll agree that the dishes are convenient as far as space goes, but the amount of time it takes to produce the dishes for a single meal (15 minues was implied) and then to reform those dishes (15 dishes x 1.5 minutes remelting = 22.5 minutes) leads to a significant amount of time (37.5 minutes) per meal that a person must remain next to the machine feeding it with discs.

And as was eluded to above, the plates have to be clean, and moreover, dry. To wash them and then let them dry (perfectly) so that the organic materials aren’t incorporated into the plastic and degrading to them, well, it sounds impossible.

There are a lot of kinks to work out in this particular machine.

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